Comments on: Why political parties don’t work (and need VRM)

By: uggs outlet

uggs outlet — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:19:23 +0000

Hhe article's content rich variety which make us move for our mood after reading this article. surprise, here you will find what you want! Recently, I found some wedsites which commodity is colorful of fashion. Such as xxxxxxxx that worth you to see. Believe me these websites won t let you downajf 8

By: Maarten den Braber

Maarten den Braber — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:06:18 +0000

Ik zal eens even mijn kennis van het Turks ophalen – dat schijnt tegenwoordig de taal te zijn die veel partijen spreken :-) Maareh, point taken. Da's het punt met een NL blog. Misschien toch eens ook posts in het NL doen…

By: erwin blom

erwin blom — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:03:51 +0000

En ik vind het dan weer vreemd om een Nederlandse partij in het Engels aan te spreken / toe te spreken. Zo gaan jullie elkaar natuurlijk nooit verstaan en begrijpen ;-)

By: Maarten den Braber

Maarten den Braber — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:02:04 +0000

The interesting story is that AiAmsterdam has seriously considered the idea of starting a political party btw :-)

Regarding your last comment, in my view that is the problem. It’s like with Ford and automobiles. If he had asked people what they wanted they would have said “faster horses”. If people see just “a party” should stick with notion simply because it’s the general feeling – or innovate and head up the troops?

I think I can agree with your statement that it is quite a challenge (I know from trying to change religious structures with an event like Social Sunday). But I think there are clear signs that there is room and value in new political structures – take the Pirate Party in Denmark. I wouldn’t argue that one-issue parties are a good solution, but being more clear about your important issues certainly helps.

By: Huub

Huub — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:55:24 +0000

I agree with you that that it is necessary to change politcal parties, but it’s too easy to say political parties are dead. :)

It is quite a challenge for political parties, because they are organised around members and around existing political structures (municipal councils, provinces, national parliament, European parliament). At GroenLinks, we are trying to move forward and to make our organisation more equipped to face modern difficulties and opportunities. But it isn’t easy. Also because al kinds of ‘NGO”s, lik eAIAmsterdam don’t want to have a political party involved, beause they are afraid it lessens their general appeal. Because you may think about politics as theme centered, a lot of people don’t and just see “a party”

By: Maarten den Braber

Maarten den Braber — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:35:23 +0000

Hi Huub, thanks for your comement! Good to hear that GroenLinks is listening in! :-)

Don’t take my comments too much as a complaint – it’s something else. It’s not about whether your have a good functioning CRM. t’s about why I should support a political *party* and what it does for me. I’m interested in issues, people, connections.

Political parties are dead – I don’t have anything specific with Groenlinks as a *party*. But I want to support (some of) their causes. If you run a campaign for digital rights I’ll support it – just as I would with probably any other party that would run such a campaign.

Take the AiAmsterdam campagin. If that would have been organised by GroenLinks that would have meant great Whuffie for you guys – more than all the nice flyers etctera that I get now. It’s more about the issues than the structure. Being member of a political party is just a “headfake” – it’s not what it’s really about.

I’m interested in seeing what will happen to the political parties if they start to graps that.

By: Huub

Huub — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:08:53 +0000

BTW, I work @groenlinks :)

By: Huub

Huub — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:06:34 +0000

Hi Maarten, I understand your complaints. That is something we are working on. The problem is that we also want to inform people about what we do, that not everybody is as digital as you (and I) are and that at this moment we don’t have the software available to personalise our contacts with members . But, like I said, we are working on new ways to approach (new) members, a new CRM is on his way. Please have some patience.

By: Maarten den Braber

Maarten den Braber — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:10:22 +0000

Well here in the Netherlands something different and more innovative. How’s that in Serbia?

By: Novak

Novak — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:06:02 +0000

Haha, and what did you expect from a political party? :)